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Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:09:00 - [1] Forced SM3 requirement is a really bad choice imho and reminds to a certain game that worked together with graphics cards industry to force people buy new graphics cards. To be honest i dont know a single mmog that went this way. I know some that are switching to a new engine right now but none that chose SM3 requirement. By choosing SM3 you are forcing users of a whole generation of ATI cards to buy a new graphics cards allthough their current ones outperform most cards listed on those SM3 compatibility charts by far. For example an Nvidia 6100 will run the game in DX9 and my X850PE wont. And its not like shader 3.0 vs 2.0b would make any real difference anyways. Basicly a marketing thing from NV.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:38:00 - [2] Originally by: gicaduru They've said numerous times that it'll be possible to use the 'classic engine' so nothing will change for those of you who have ancient computers. I don't understand why you keep complaining that the brand new engine is targeted at new(ish) graphics cards; what the hell do you expect, that they'll keep writing the game for 5 year old video cards? You might not have noticed it, but eve is not a normal game that you buy in the shop and play for 3 month. People are supposed to be playing eve for years and users of mmogs often have computers that dont use top tech components. Classic client all well and fine but how long do you think will that classic client be supported? And ATI top of the line cards with shader 2.0b are not 5 years old, not even close. I would have expected for CCP to implement a SM3 and SM2 renderpatch like Far*** since the performance difference is really small and both offer the same graphical results.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:49:00 - [3] Originally by: MotherMoon But the point is, CCP doesn't care what uses what, you need SM3 because of what SM3 does. it's not because they want to exclude anyone... Theres nothing that SM3 can but SM2 not. Its only a performance and programming thing. And you dont want to tell me that Eve would run better on a NV6100 with SM3 than on an X850PE with SM 2.0 do you?
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:00:00 - [4] Originally by: MotherMoon point taken... unless the new dynamic lighting system that they are programing to have light travel through space the way it would if it was effected by the gravity of the planets and such takes SM3 to work.... that said, maybe they should have another option to let you use only the ship models, but no lighting or shadows. Thats an idea i could be friend with. I just dont understand why many if not most of the ATI users are exluded from all new visual content when their cards are able to work with it with acceptable performance.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 01:16:00 - [5] Originally by: MotherMoon well I don't know what the performance levels for the expansion are... do you? I was judging from other games and running them with SM2 instead SM3 gave an FPS loss in the low single digit FPS. If that drawback makes the new eve unplayable then SM3 players wouldnt have much fun either :) My guess is that the extra rendering code for an SM2 path would have cost some kind of licence fee and for that reason they decided for the classic client solution. :) The other advantage of the classic solution is that real stoneage cards (like 8 years old) still work with eve like they do now.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 13:09:23 Originally by: Raneru Originally by: XrayZ ugh as a rotten comp owner, i feel totaly screwd now... i would need to buy a whole new comp to play eve, and that makes x a sad panda. err.. makes x¦s wallet a sad panda. Look on the bright side, after you've upgraded you can play crysis, bioshock, call of duty 4, gears of war, etc The funny thing is, that all of those games are /will be running on my computer with SM2 on my X850. But the allmighty eve DX9 client wont.... Crysis: SM2 or better Call of Duty 4: SM2 or better Eve-online DX9 SM3 only You see what i have a problem with?
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:50:00 - [7] Originally by: MHayes Isn't SM3 4 years old, if your graphics card is over 4 years old then no shiny ships for you. This is your fault not CCPs fault. Be glad they are still allowing you people to use the old client. strokes 7900GTX which is like 2 years old but still does the business. My gc is 1.5 years old and it wasnt really cheap at that time. And it still has SM2. Just because a graphics card has SM3 it isnt better than a SM2 card. When allmost every other game to be released this year supports SM2 but eve not i certainly dont see the problem with my graphics card but with the support for ATI cards from ccp.
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:30:18 Edited by: Mara Kell on 15/10/2007 16:29:33 Originally by: Paulo Damarr I really dont understand all the panic about OMG! OH NOES! it wont work! According to everything made public so far older machines should have no problems. My backup Rig apparently even meets the requirements Athlon 64 2800+, GIGABYTE K8NS, 2x 512mb corsair value DDR-400, PNY Nvidia 6600 256mb AGP x8, Windows XP home. If you have a AGP you can pick 6600 series cards up for around ú50 maybe even less. Lets see, my machine: Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Asus A8V 4x 512mb DDR-400 infineon sapphire X850PE 256mb AGP 8x XP prof And the new eve DX9 won run on it... So which graphics card would you actually suggest me to buy that has SM3 is cheap and is faster than mine and has AGP? The only choice would be the 1950, but so much money for just SM3 and hardly a performance increase?
Mara Kell	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Paulo Damarr I'm not trying to be offensive but you obviously poorly researched your machine when you bought/built it, You have a dual core CPU but didn't think to future proof it by getting a PCI-E mainboard. Due to you having DDR-400 as well im guessing it might be a 939 Socket motherboard and PCI-E boards where available and the price was comparable to the AGP boards. Plus ATi is Junk. What makes you think that i bought this system as it is? I have never in my whole life bought a complete system. Its a work in progress. I know upgrading is basicly over for this system but not being able to run eve DX9 while crysis will propably run fine is a bad joke. And btw. Nvidias AGP Cards are junk in terms of technical design, they suck energy like crazy. Not of any use for a silent system. So was the early 1000 series from ATI, therefore the decision for the x800 series.

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